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Ok.Well I wont get into a theistic debate with you even tho Im an atheist, and in any case I am on the same side as you (atleast temporarily) in that im not against small gains, thus why I supported Ron Paul (hence the “RP” in my name).I shall continue to support RP-esque candidates, even if it hurts me a little to support the system.
That said,I do have a question for you. Why do ‘disguise’ the word “God” by using a “*”. I’ve seen a few people do this kind of thing and I’ve always wondered why
Well… you liken yourself to the perfect government ie NO GOVERNMENT, I liken myself similarly but entirely rely on the Lord for such divine rights and guidance. Pretty much the same thing, we each are looking to perfection. However mine is more realistic because it is based upon G*d and expect it in Heaven. Whereas you think yours is more realistic because it isn’t (apparently) based upon G*d and expect it on earth.
Well, halelujah! You do it well! Keep up the good work.
If memory serves me I picked up a copy at a bookseller that was at a gun show. I don’t think the book led me to that mindset…I was already there. It just put in written form, what I had been thinking for some time. It helped me to focus my thoughts in a more refined way. That in itself was earthshaking. It was like I was reading on paper what I had been thinking and it was fantastic. And best yet it helped me to structure my thoughts so that I could adequately express them to others.
I understood the parallel up until:
“but I cannot ever divorce myself from the King of the Universe- thus no man rules. ”
Care to enlighten me?
I thought my parallel to my idea of perfection was perfectly clear and more than appropriate.
I accept, on reading your comment again that you were not calling me statist but narrowly.
I wasn’t calling you a statist (atleast not in the derogatory way). I used “statism” as in the belief in a state, just as “anarchism” is a belief that there should be no state. Sorry for the confusion.
Other than that, I fail to see the relevance of a god in all this.
Look, calling me a statist just because I suggest that anarchy can’t and won’t work is foolish.
I also believe in the Lord- but I don’t expect heaven on earth. Striving for it is the another matter. I applaud anyone ‘striving’ for perfection and yes, there you have it, my confession that ‘anarchy’ in the realm of free men is perfection- but I cannot ever divorce myself from the King of the Universe- thus no man rules.
“True but a chess club is not equipped to handle the intercourse between one foreign body (state) and another”
In this day and age, with global communication and transportation as it is, people from Argentina can talk and deal with people in Denmark with ease. All States do that we cant do (better) is wage wars.
“Anarchy will not work. ”
How’s Statism treating ya?
If you believe in the free market and libertarian values Anarchy is merely the next step. It’s the same principle.
I’m curious tubalcane- when did you first happen on The Law and when did you finish reading it?
I’ve been recommending it for years and it was the very first thing I posted on my page when signing up to YT. Many won’t take the time to follow up my suggestion and I’m wondering what brought you to that point and your mindset before and after.
Gratefully,
anyusmoon1
True but a chess club is not equipped to handle the intercourse between one foreign body (state) and another.
Anarchy will not work.
Don’t get me wrong, the Consitutiotn is great in comparison to what we have now, in fact it would be paradise…. but it isn’t “pure liberty”.
Taxation is taxation…
Theft is theft….
Violence is violence…
It is still immoral… even if it is on a smaller scale, and supposedly “avoidable”
“For those desiring the company of others, must have some form of organization”
Yes, but there’s a difference between a State and a chess club.
Humans by nature are colonists. For those desiring the company of others, must have some form of organization. The constitution provided a limited federal government for the purpose of collecting the merest of taxes and solely from the ‘states’, never We the People (WTP). The states pay uniformly in accordance with their numbers.
The constitution also provided for a means of collecting from WTP but in a manner that any individual could summarily avoid- ie liquor tax (if u oppose tax=don’t buy).
I found reading it much easier but… any means of getting the material understood is a MUST. A whole course (nigh a whole under graduate degree) could be formed on this foundation.
FREEDOM IS POPULAR!
Exactly.
this dude is dry, he needs some charisma in his voice
google campaign for liberty
Pure liberty?
Would taxation, under this liberal (the proper term) state, then be voluntary?
Yeah, I know, The Law is one of the first and best books I’ve read on the subject. It is not difficult to understand… I think a lifetime of working for the State has made my Mom “institutionalized” to a degree. She does not recognize any probable limitations on the scope of government. She told me that the County should operate a defunct golf course it annexed into the ever expanding land grabs. She trusts the State because she is part of the State. It’s a willful inability to understand. =(
“she said after six attempts she gave up reading it because she couldn’t understand it.”
Tell her: Mom I’m thinking of taking someones property or money by force.
When she says: but that would be stealing
Tell her: Yes, but I am going to do good things with it.
When she says: It is still against the law
Say: Then I will get a large group of people for support and appoint them to take it for me
When she says: It is still against the law
Tell her: She did understand the book after all
lol, you sure as reality are not exaggerating.
some people just cannot wrap their minds around the idea of pure liberty. but the audio is definetly easy listening.
Bastiat’s “The Law” is probably one of the top 5 most important books ever written. The sheer simplicity with which he frames his boundless and powerfull arguments is almost unimaginable. If you are a thinking person this essay will pierce your heart with wisdom that is so self-evident and absolute. I was changed after reading it, and will never be the same again. To say that this essay should be required reading for high school students is quite possibly the greatest understatement of all time.
Seventy-five pages of condensed genius.
I agree that this is one of the most important literary works on government and should be required reading.
My Mom is a teacher and I gave her the book when she went on a trip to Canada. When she returned, she said after six attempts she gave up reading it because she couldn’t understand it. Maybe I should send the audio! Thanks for the post.